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		<title>Greylisting and GMAIL</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Samrat Yadav</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Web Hosting Articles]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[delay in mail delivery from gmail]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[email delays]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[greylisting]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[We have observed a very interesting thing regarding Greylisting and emails sent from Gmail. If greylisting is deployed on the server, emails sent FROM gmail to a POP account on the server may experience a LOT of delay in receipt of emails from gmail. This is actually NOT an issue with gmail or the greylisting [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have observed a very interesting thing regarding Greylisting and emails sent from Gmail. If greylisting is deployed on the server, emails sent FROM gmail to a POP account on the server may experience a LOT of delay in receipt of emails from gmail. This is actually NOT an issue with gmail or the greylisting process, but with the way gmail re-sends the greylisted email to the server. Let me explain this with the help of an example.</p>
<p><strong>FIRST MAIL RETURNED FOR GREYLISTING</strong></p>
<p>07:06:34 [209.85.200.169][4006086] cmd: EHLO wf-out-1314.google.com<br />
07:06:34 [209.85.200.169][4006086] rsp: 250-tradebooster.info Hello [209.85.200.169] 250-SIZE 10485760 250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5 250 OK<br />
07:06:34 [209.85.200.169][4006086] cmd: MAIL FROM:&lt;username@gmail.com&gt;<br />
07:06:34 [209.85.200.169][4006086] rsp: 250 OK &lt;username@gmail.com&gt; Sender ok<br />
07:06:34 [209.85.200.169][4006086] cmd: RCPT TO:&lt;username@yourlocaldomain.com&gt;<br />
07:06:34 [209.85.200.169][4006086] rsp: 451 Greylisted, please try again in 300 seconds<br />
07:06:34 [209.85.200.169][4006086] cmd: QUIT<br />
07:06:34 [209.85.200.169][4006086] rsp: 221 Service closing transmission channel<br />
07:06:34 [209.85.200.169][4006086] disconnected at 8/20/2008 7:06:34 AM</p>
<p><strong>SAME EMAIL RECD AGAIN, DELIVERED TO USER</strong></p>
<p>07:13:22 [209.85.200.170][57166957] cmd: EHLO wf-out-1314.google.com<br />
07:13:22 [209.85.200.170][57166957] rsp: 250-tradebooster.info Hello [209.85.200.170] 250-SIZE 10485760 250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5 250 OK<br />
07:13:22 [209.85.200.170][57166957] cmd: MAIL FROM:&lt;username@gmail.com&gt;<br />
07:13:22 [209.85.200.170][57166957] rsp: 250 OK &lt;username@gmail.com&gt; Sender ok<br />
07:13:23 [209.85.200.170][57166957] cmd: RCPT TO:&lt;username@yourlocaldomain.com&gt;<br />
07:13:23 [209.85.200.170][57166957] rsp: 250 OK &lt;username@yourlocaldomain.com&gt; Recipient ok<br />
07:13:23 [209.85.200.170][57166957] cmd: DATA<br />
07:13:23 [209.85.200.170][57166957] rsp: 354 Start mail input; end with &lt;CRLF&gt;.&lt;CRLF&gt;<br />
07:13:23 [209.85.200.170][57166957] rsp: 250 OK<br />
07:13:23 [209.85.200.170][57166957] Data transfer succeeded, writing mail to 270367115667.eml</p>
<p>In the above scenario, when the server returned the email to gmail SMTP, the same SMTP server sent the e-mail back and hence the mail was delivered to the actual user within 5-6 minutes. However, when the server returns the email to Gmail SMTP, this is NOT always the case. Gmail has multiple SMTPs running parallely and would re-send the email to the server via a different SMTP. Now when this email is received by the server, it would be coming from a different SMTP server and would be greylisted again. This process would continue till the server receives the email from the same SMTP host at gmail. This is illustrated below.</p>
<p><strong>SECOND EMAIL RECD FROM wx-out-0506.google.com, RETURNED FOR GREYLISTING</strong></p>
<p>07:14:04 [66.249.82.232][55297073] cmd: EHLO wx-out-0506.google.com<br />
07:14:04 [66.249.82.232][55297073] rsp: 250-tradebooster.info Hello [66.249.82.232] 250-SIZE 10485760 250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5 250 OK<br />
07:14:04 [66.249.82.232][55297073] cmd: MAIL FROM:&lt;username@gmail.com&gt;<br />
07:14:04 [66.249.82.232][55297073] rsp: 250 OK &lt;username@gmail.com&gt; Sender ok<br />
07:14:04 [66.249.82.232][55297073] cmd: RCPT TO:&lt;username@yourlocaldomain.com&gt;<br />
07:14:04 [66.249.82.232][55297073] rsp: 451 Greylisted, please try again in 300 seconds<br />
07:14:04 [66.249.82.232][55297073] cmd: QUIT<br />
07:14:04 [66.249.82.232][55297073] rsp: 221 Service closing transmission channel<br />
07:14:04 [66.249.82.232][55297073] disconnected at 8/20/2008 7:14:04 AM</p>
<p><strong>SAME EMAIL RECD AGAIN FROM hs-out-0708.google.com, RETURNED FOR GREYLISTING SINCE SENDING SMTP IS DIFF.</strong></p>
<p>07:20:10 [64.233.178.250][53658101] cmd: EHLO hs-out-0708.google.com<br />
07:20:10 [64.233.178.250][53658101] rsp: 250-tradebooster.info Hello [64.233.178.250] 250-SIZE 10485760 250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5 250 OK<br />
07:20:10 [64.233.178.250][53658101] cmd: MAIL FROM:&lt;username@gmail.com&gt;<br />
07:20:10 [64.233.178.250][53658101] rsp: 250 OK &lt;username@gmail.com&gt; Sender ok<br />
07:20:10 [72.51.46.158][33575438] cmd: DATA<br />
07:20:10 [64.233.178.250][53658101] cmd: RCPT TO:&lt;username@yourlocaldomain.com&gt;<br />
07:20:10 [64.233.178.250][53658101] rsp: 451 Greylisted, please try again in 300 seconds<br />
07:20:10 [72.51.46.158][33575438] rsp: 354 Start mail input; end with &lt;CRLF&gt;.&lt;CRLF&gt;<br />
07:20:10 [64.233.178.250][53658101] cmd: QUIT<br />
07:20:10 [64.233.178.250][53658101] rsp: 221 Service closing transmission channel<br />
07:20:10 [64.233.178.250][53658101] disconnected at 8/20/2008 7:20:10 AM</p>
<p><strong>SAME EMAIL RECD AGAIN FROM wf-out-1314.google.com, RETURNED FOR GREYLISTING SINCE SENDING SMTP IS DIFF.</strong></p>
<p>07:38:13 [209.85.200.174][15186826] cmd: EHLO wf-out-1314.google.com<br />
07:38:13 [209.85.200.174][15186826] rsp: 250-tradebooster.info Hello [209.85.200.174] 250-SIZE 10485760 250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5 250 OK<br />
07:38:13 [209.85.200.174][15186826] cmd: MAIL FROM:&lt;username@gmail.com&gt;<br />
07:38:13 [209.85.200.174][15186826] rsp: 250 OK &lt;username@gmail.com&gt; Sender ok<br />
07:38:14 [209.85.200.174][15186826] cmd: RCPT TO:&lt;username@yourlocaldomain.com&gt;<br />
07:38:14 [209.85.200.174][15186826] rsp: 451 Greylisted, please try again in 300 seconds<br />
07:38:14 [209.85.200.174][15186826] cmd: QUIT<br />
07:38:14 [209.85.200.174][15186826] rsp: 221 Service closing transmission channel<br />
07:38:14 [209.85.200.174][15186826] disconnected at 8/20/2008 7:38:14 AM</p>
<p><strong>SAME EMAIL RECD AGAIN FROM rn-out-0910.google.com, RETURNED FOR GREYLISTING SINCE SENDING SMTP IS DIFF.</strong></p>
<p>08:08:40 [64.233.170.187][54388398] cmd: EHLO rn-out-0910.google.com<br />
08:08:40 [64.233.170.187][54388398] rsp: 250-tradebooster.info Hello [64.233.170.187] 250-SIZE 10485760 250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5 250 OK<br />
08:08:40 [64.233.170.187][54388398] cmd: MAIL FROM:&lt;username@gmail.com&gt;<br />
08:08:40 [64.233.170.187][54388398] rsp: 250 OK &lt;username@gmail.com&gt; Sender ok<br />
08:08:40 [64.233.170.187][54388398] cmd: RCPT TO:&lt;username@yourlocaldomain.com&gt;<br />
08:08:40 [64.233.170.187][54388398] rsp: 451 Greylisted, please try again in 300 seconds<br />
08:08:40 [64.233.170.187][54388398] cmd: QUIT<br />
08:08:40 [64.233.170.187][54388398] rsp: 221 Service closing transmission channel<br />
08:08:40 [64.233.170.187][54388398] disconnected at 8/20/2008 8:08:40 AM</p>
<p><strong>SAME EMAIL RECD AGAIN FROM wf-out-1314.google.com, DELIVERED SINCE RECD FROM SAME SMTP.</strong></p>
<p>09:08:31 [209.85.200.171][28421712] cmd: EHLO wf-out-1314.google.com<br />
09:08:31 [209.85.200.171][28421712] rsp: 250-tradebooster.info Hello [209.85.200.171] 250-SIZE 10485760 250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5 250 OK<br />
09:08:31 [209.85.200.171][28421712] cmd: MAIL FROM:&lt;username@gmail.com&gt;<br />
09:08:31 [209.85.200.171][28421712] rsp: 250 OK &lt;username@gmail.com&gt; Sender ok<br />
09:08:31 [209.85.200.171][28421712] cmd: RCPT TO:&lt;username@yourlocaldomain.com&gt;<br />
09:08:31 [209.85.200.171][28421712] rsp: 250 OK &lt;username@yourlocaldomain.com&gt; Recipient ok<br />
09:08:31 [209.85.200.171][28421712] cmd: DATA<br />
09:08:31 [209.85.200.171][28421712] rsp: 354 Start mail input; end with &lt;CRLF&gt;.&lt;CRLF&gt;<br />
09:08:31 [209.85.200.171][28421712] rsp: 250 OK<br />
09:08:31 [209.85.200.171][28421712] Data transfer succeeded, writing mail to 288362157076.eml</p>
<p>As you can see from the above there is a delay of approx 2 hours in receiving email. Now the obvious question is, how to resolve such an issue. There are 2 ways we see this being resolved.</p>
<p><strong>Method 1 (NOT RECOMMENDED)</strong></p>
<p>Bypass greylisting for the concerned domain. This method is however not recommended since this would mean an influx of SPAM e-mails on the domain. Just for one domain gmail.com, it makes no sense to bypass the greylisting process completely.</p>
<p><strong>Method 2 (RECOMMENDED)</strong></p>
<p>Whitelist the domain gmail.com for the entire server. When gmail.com is specifically whitelisted for all the domains on the server, the greylisting would automatically be bypassed for it. Thought this could possibly mean that % of spam may increase in the user&#8217;s inbox (due to phised emails), but the % increase would be FAR less than what it would be in method 1.</p>

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